Introduction 
The following article was the inspiration for my sermon that can be viewed at this link
But If Not
A sermon by John Thatcher
The original article was published as a small booklet and written from Keswick, a town in the Lake district of the UK. It was written by Rev J Stuart Holden, Vicar of St. Paul’s in London. It was apparently delivered at the conclusion of the Keswick retreat or Bible School for evangelical pastors of Protestant faiths. It addresses disappointed Christianity, to those whose lofty spiritual ambitions may not be realised.
According to Wiki –
In 1875, the Keswick Convention began. It was the drawing together of ministers and people from different Protestant and Evangelical backgrounds for the purpose of ministering and sharing the teachings of The Deeper Life. The Keswick Convention has had a profound effect on the church from the late 1800’s to the middle of the 1900’s. The earliest part of the movement saw the greatest effect. Well-known ministers such as F. B. Meyer, Evan H. Hopkins, H. W. Webb-Peploe, H. C. G. Moule and many others were consistent speakers at the annual conventions. There were also guest speakers which had a profound influence on the movement itself, such as Andrew Murray and J. Hudson Taylor. The most well-known missionary from the movement was Amy Wilson Carmichael. Beginning in 1892 the messages of the annual conventions were printed in annual volumes entitled “The Story of Keswick”, the first two years, and “The Keswick Week” in the years following. These books are difficult to come by and are usually in very rough condition.


But If Not
Rev J Stuart Holden, 1914
I suppose it is safe to say, that the majority of us in this tent, and especially those who have been brought, during these past days, to the adoption of new attitudes of surrender and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ, are taking away with us in a very few hours, great expectations. We have been led by the proclamation of God’s truth and the illumination of His Spirit in these gatherings, to expect large changes in our experience, large renewals of strength and grace, large openings of fruitful service; and with these expectations we are leaving this this mount of vision to get back to the valley of duty.
I want to speak as simply – and God knows I want to speak as tenderly – as may be to those who, in the days to come, may not realise these expectations; to those who not many days hence are going to be sadly disappointed because their experience does not reach out to their expectation. I want that each one of us shall see that God has larger meanings in life then we are now able to read, that God has larger answers to our prayers then we are able to anticipate, that God has a thousand ways of fulfilling His promise in human lives that trust in Him; that so forewarned by this knowledge of God’s wondrous greatness and transcendence, we may be fore armed against the perils of disappointment and forearmed against that disheartening of soul which makes our hearts fruitful ground for the most noxious seed evil can sow there.
Therefore, I want to speak to you tonight on three words as you find them in Daniel 3:18. Without reading the whole story, let me read with you from the 16th verse, which will recall the incident of which this is part to your minds.
16 “Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. 17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. 18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up” (Dan 3:16-18).
You remember the story of course. Challenged not to worship God at all, challenged to bow down to the popular idol, challenged to join the fickle multitude in acclaiming an earthly king – to the degradation of the King of their hearts, with a burning fiery furnace in front of them, as the only alternative to obedience, this is the answer of the three Hebrew children. “Our God is able to deliver us! More than that, our God will deliver us! More than that, if He does not deliver us, we are still not going to worship your idol! If He does not deliver us, our faith is not at an end. If He does not deliver us, our resolution is entirely unshaken. We still believe God.”
Now it may be for you and me that the experiences we have sought here, the prayer we have offered here, the hopes that have been aroused here, are none of them going to be realised just in the way we have imagined. It may be that you who have claimed a deliverance which you have seen as part of God’s plan for your life, are going to find that God works by human cooperation with His divine spirit and that your way of deliverance is along a Via Dolorosa. It may be that you my brethren, who have claimed a Pentecost from God, are going to find that it leads you not to a revival, but to a tremendous opposition.
It may be that in your church and mission you are not going to see a great in gathering of souls at all, but a determined revolt of worldly Christians and church officers. It may be that from Keswick you are going into a pathway which is dark with the mysteries of God’s dealing with you. And let me say to you here, that if your faith has not got an alternative, you are going to get worsted. And if you are overthrown because of the things which, in some shape or form you are bound to meet, then the world which is looking on, which is taking its measure of Jesus Christ from the loyalty and fidelity of your witness to Him, is going to be stumbled. Blessed be God, our gracious God, who teaches our hands to war and our fingers to fight, who is our hope and our fortress, our battle-axe had our deliverer! Blessed be God, who speaks to forewarn us ere we go from this place into the unknown life of peril and danger and opposition! Let us see to it that our faith has an alternative to our present expectation. Blessed is the man who goes down from Keswick saying something of the same thing that these three Hebrews said to the great king who vaunted himself against God: “We will not serve thee; we will not bow down to thine image; even if God does not do for us what we have trusted Him to do.” Oh God, give us faith like this!
Do not think that this is faithlessness on the part of these men. Read their splendid protest; “Our God is able, and He will; but if He does not, we still recognise His will as entirely supreme. If He does not, we still recognise God as greater than our hearts and all our imaginings. If He does not do just what we thought He was going to do, we still believe, though we may have no evidence of sense to support our faith”. This is the faith which accepts God’s will not merely with equanimity but with positive enthusiasm. This is the faith which relates itself not only to the commands of God, but to His contradictions; and if you and I go on with Him we shall find that pathway to be one of constant contradiction. Christ, my leader may contradict my conceptions; Christ, my teacher may contradict my impulse and my aims; Christ, my master will bring all things within me into conformity to His holy purpose. Oh, this is not faithlessness, it is faith which says, “but if not, my course is already clear; if not, my determination has already been made; if not, my resolve is entirely unaltered for it has been made in the conscious presence of God, and on the warrant of His own sure word.”
I should like to say here that it is by such contradictions that God teaches us in ways which otherwise were impossible either to Him or to us. There are words which I often read to my enlightening and comfort, the uplift of which I should like to share with you now:
“If all my years were summer, could I know
What my Lord means by His ‘made white as snow?’
If all my days were sunny, could I say
‘in His fair land He wipes all tears away?”
If I were never weary, could I keep
close to my heart, ‘he gives His loved ones sleep.’
Were no graves mine, might I not come to deem
the life eternal but a baseless dream?
My winter, yea, my tears, my weariness,
Even my graves, may be His way to bless.
I call them ‘ills’, yet that can surely be,
nothing but love that shows my Lord to me!”
In the days which lie ahead of each of us, with their perplexing experiences, remember that His meanings of life are essentially larger than ours. It will fill our hearts with peace and put stability into our lives to be able to say: “but if not Lord, I still trust Thee; and if not, I am here as truly Thine as ever I was; as truly Thine in the darkness of London, of the slums, of the mission field, of the unsympathetic home, as truly Thine, my God, in the darkness as I was Thine in the light at Keswick. But if not” -!
This alternative to disappointed faith tests the entire quality of the man who professes the faith of God. I know the man – I have him in mind tonight – who, being disappointed in his experience, nervously begins to pity himself; the man to whom self-consequence is everything. When God contradicts his expectation and longing, his faith is staggered, and his backsliding begins. I know the man who is willing to accept a shallow answer to a great question; the man to whom disappointment becomes disbelief; the man who measures God in the tiny scales of his own self-consciousness. Many such have gone from Keswick to be utterly disheartened, utterly despondent, and ultimately a deserter. For there is a subtle interaction in the life of every one of us of courage and conscience. The man who does not stand firm with God and for Him, loses his power of vision, and with that much else goes also.
On the other hand, I know the man who has learned to say courageously with these three Hebrews, “But if not – there shall be no deviation from my duty; its dominance shall be entirely unaffected in my life. But if not – if no ecstatic joy fills me, if no revival results appear in my work, I mean to go on and do the next thing. If I do not get the sunshine in all its full-orbed light upon my life, I mean to follow the gleam which I have already seen. If I cannot see the distant scene, I can at least see one step ahead. God has given me enough light to walk by; and in any case, I’m going on with His work. There shall be no cessation of hostility to evil, no backing out of the conflict with the forces of the devil in the world. There shall be no lowering of my aim, even if I should be conscious of disappointment. By the grace of God, forgetting the things that are behind, I press on toward the mark for the prize. Even if the battle seems to be going against me, there shall be no desertion of the colours.”
For instance, here is a businessman who has come to a determination to seek first the Kingdom of God in his business, with a certainty that all things else shall be added to him. And he finds not additions but subtractions! He finds that his profits are not greater but actually less each year. He finds just what we have been reminded of tonight, that the pathway of the cross is no sentimental emotional thing to sing about; but that the cross is heavy and the way is narrow and his position inexpressibly difficult. For that man, real blessing is bound up in the attitude which says: “But if not! I do not intend to haul down the flag. I do not intend for a moment to desert my Lord. For I can never unsee what I have seen in Him: I can never unlearn what I have learned from Him: and I can never lose that which He has begun to work in me. Therefore, be the consequences of my fidelity what they may, I am going on with God.”
After all, if you have the real faith of a child as you leave Keswick, in consequence of God’s drawing near to you here, it is founded not upon a subjective experience, but upon God Himself. Our faith does not stand in the wisdom of men. Our faith does not stand in the memory of any emotional thrill which may have come, lifting us up to a higher plane in this place. Our faith does not rest upon anything that is visible, but upon that which is within the veil, where Jesus is. Therefore, in the calm confidence of a child, I may say with these three Hebrew children; “I am expecting God to do wonderful things for me, I am expecting God to breakdown iron gates before me, and to beat down my foes all around me. I am expecting God to give me great and wonderful power in His work, manifested by souls gathered in and breaking forth of blessings all round. But if He does not, I am still going on with Him, persuaded that He does all things well. His wisdom is my sheet-anchor and His faithfulness my stay.”
Now let me point out to you that God’s response to this spirit is to do a bigger thing than we trust Him for, not a smaller. These men said “our God is able to deliver us from the fire. What do we care about your furnace heated 7 times though it might be? It does not affect us in the slightest. It does not even make us perspire with fright. We are entirely calm in front of it. Our God is able and He will deliver us from it.” But God did a far bigger thing for them then they thought He would do. He did not deliver them from the peril at all, but He delivered them in it, which is an infinitely greater thing. He did not affect their escape from the furnace, but He gave them an experience of fellowship in the furnace such as they had never dreamed of. For God’s angel came to walk with them in the flame. I wonder what they talked about, the faithful God and His faithful servants? That they did talk together we may be very sure, and that those three heard words there which it is not lawful for men to utter or to imagine. One thing is certain: They learned more in that furnace with God’s angel than they had ever dreamed it possible for men to know of God. That is the kind of thing God does for the men who have this spirit. They said: “He is going to check your hand, O King”. But He did not do it at all – he did something greater. He changed the King’s heart and brought him to a knowledge of His almighty power and grace. Oh! great though your expectations are, they are not great enough. Great though the promises are to your conception tonight that conception is not nearly great enough. God is going to do an infinitely larger and a more influential thing in our lives if we will stand with Him.
Again, I would remind you that this is not an isolated instance of this spirit and the divine response to it, for we find the principle at least running right through the word of God. Let me give you an illustration or two ere I close. Elohim said to Abraham: “Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac”; so he took him, and together they mounted the hill. I hear the boy saying to the father: “Father, here is the wood for the sacrifice, but where is the lamb?” And I hear Abraham say to him, and to his own heart also: “My son, God will provide himself a lamb. But if not, the programme is going to be carried out. But if not, there is still going to be a sacrifice. My purpose is undeterred; my obedience to God is unaltered: my devotion to His will is entirely unmoved, even if He does not provide a lamb, and I have to put my son to the knife and to the fire”. That is the secret of Abraham’s fruitfulness – his faithfulness; and that is the secret of God’s blessing to the nations through this man.
I see it again in a man who has lost everything. His home is gone, his friends are against him, his health is undone. He sits there mourning; and yet beneath the mourning there is a note of triumph. God shall bring me forth to the light, and I shall behold him. Then he says in effect, “But if not, though he slay me, yet will I trust him.” Even if He does not bring me out to the place where I may behold His face in righteousness, I shall still trust him. I know that my Redeemer liveth.”
I see it in another man. He is in prison – a man persuaded of Christ’s identity and mission; a man who stands for the most complete self-effacement this world has ever seen; who cried to others: “behold the Lamb of God”, and rejoiced when his own disciples left him to go with Jesus; a man who knew the power of God in his life, for he was filled with the Holy Spirit from his birth; a man who saw in Jesus the great Baptizer with the Holy Spirit and with fire; and a man whose faithfulness was put to such severe test in the prison house on the shores of the Dead Sea as you and I have never known and never can know. He sent his disciples to Jesus, to the one who said He had come to liberate the prisoners; and yet here is one of his loyal friends whom He does not liberate. Here is the one whom He has proclaimed as the mighty Messiah of God, but who seems so slow at coming to the victorious side of his work. John sends his disciples to Jesus with the query: “Master, after all, have I been mistaken? Art thou He who should come? I thought you were, but if you are not, I am still going on to look for another: for the promises of God cannot be broken”.
I think of Paul too. All those wonderful and magnificent declaration of Paul’s faith. Listen to them above the howling of The Tempest. “I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord”! “In all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.” “Thanks be unto God which always causes us to ride in triumph in Christ!”. And he ended where? In a prison! Not in a great experience of triumph and conquest but in a prison, chained to two Roman soldiers. Surely Paul had this “if not” spirit in him. If you want to read its expression, turn to his prison epistles; turn to the words that came from his heart in that captivity in Rome, and you will see the indomitable courage of a man who was filled with the spirit of God.
But, before I close, there is someone higher; greater than Abraham, and Job, and John, and Paul; there is the blessed one himself. Away yonder in the garden He cries: “Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me. But if not, thy will be done”. That is the spirit which made the world’s redemption an accomplished fact. that is the spirit in you and me which will invest our lives with redemptive value, as we go out from the throne of God down to the lowest gutter of sin, to do the work of the Redeemer. This is the spirit, and the only spirit, which ensures victory beyond anything we can conceive.
So, as we turn from Keswick, may God make this your spirit and mine, in view of all that the future may hold, in view of all the mystery that may becloud your pathway, in view of all that may stagger you for a moment as God’s greatest thoughts are brought into conflict with your own inferior and unworthier thoughts concerning His purpose. When your prayers, instead of being speedily answered, are delayed of answer; when those things you thought God must do for you, He still keeps you waiting for, may God help each one of us to say in some such words as these – “But if not.”
“I’ll follow Thee, of life the Giver;
“I’ll follow Thee, loving Redeemer:
“I’ll follow Thee, deny thee never:
“By thy grace, I’ll follow Thee.”
I will say just one more thing, and it is that the world is perfectly helpless before that kind of Christian. The world is positively powerless before the man who actually laughs at its threats, because he knows what they are worth, and who goes into the fire for God with a song in his heart. It cannot light a fire, however vehement is flame, that can do more than burn up the man’s bonds and bring him into greater liberty as he sings:
“Across the path of nature leads on the path of God;
Not where the flesh delighteth, the feet of Jesus trod.
What though the way be lonely, and dark, and bleak, and lone,
Though crags and tangles cross it
Praise God we will go on!”
And as the world is helpless before a man of that kind of faith, God cannot be otherwise than truly faithful to such a one. Therefore, as in a few minutes we shall go out into the night, and shall certainly never all meet until Jesus comes back again, would it not be an infinite blessing to us to bring our Keswick week to a close by solemnly, gladly reaffirming this same sure note in the presence of God now: “Oh God I am expecting so much from You. I am expecting you to do such wonderful things. My God, I am expecting you to make all things new with one word of your power. But if not, if you keep me waiting, if you discipline me into patience, and correct my misconceptions by your wisdom, I here and now covenant with you, my Lord that I will stand by you. I here and now covenant, my Lord, in all the naked sincerity of my soul, that I am Thine utterly and absolutely, down to the last crust and candle flicker of life. I am Thine, Lord Jesus, for time and eternity. And Thou are mine, my Saviour, my Master, my King.”











wonderful promises for the future. God promised to give them the land (modern day Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan and the Sinai in Egypt) for their children, and to make them the progenitors of a huge nation which would bring blessings to the whole world (through their offspring, Jesus).
The last plague was the death of all firstborn in Egypt. The Israelites were saved from this plague if they killed a lamb, spread its blood over the doors, and roasted and ate the lamb. This was called the ‘Passover Feast’ and was a strong symbol of us of being saved from death by the sacrifice God’s lamb – Jesus. The Egyptians finally let the Israelites go – only to pursue them again. Moses brought the Israelites to the edge of the Red Sea – where God miraculously opened the water to provide a path to the other side. The Egyptian army followed, and God caused the sea to come back and drowned the Egyptians.

The prophets Ezekiel and Daniel were among the captives of Judah taken to Babylon. The Bible books of Ezekiel and Daniel give wonderful prophecies of Israel coming back to their ‘Promised Land’, as well as future world history.
What happens to people when they die?
“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called “Wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” 7 Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David (he will be Jewish – from David’s lineage), and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it